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Meeting the Secret Chief

He was exactly what you would expect from a secret chief.  Well, dressed, calm, urbane, and clearly well off.  He managed to look younger than he was. He told me he was a Corsican of aristocratic pedigree.

We met in a coffee shop close to St Peter’s so that my wife, Paola, who works in the area,  could act as a translator so that he would be more comfortable talking.

He was extremely interesting having been connected with lots of magical orders and alchemical groups that I had never heard of.  In one breath he was in something called the Osiris Order, the next it was Grand Orient and Scottish Rite freemasonry and the Italian strain of Misraim and Myriam.  There were lots of great French alchemists named, his greatest love appeared to be Alchemy and he threw a lot of alchemical words into the conversation which I totally failed to understand.

There were so many orders and systems of magic involved with his life it was a wonder he had time to do any of them.  I asked him why he was involved in so many and he said it was “for the cause.”

The “cause” apparently was to fix Europe by uniting it under a Priest-King and a synarchic system of government similar to that which was discussed in Plato’s republic.

“We have placed contacts in many occult orders and in high places in government,” he said.

It was interesting because this was exactly the sorts of offer that Samuel Mathers was getting from his associates in Paris in the 1900s.  He even hoped that this occult revolution would mean he would get a small kingdom in Scotland.

This person did want to do something with the Magical Order of the Aurora Aurea.  In return he would give us access to information which we could place in our higher orders.  There would be some costs for this training and we would be required to support the cause.

“The alchemical methods which we teach will ultimately make you very wealthy, which is why we do not give them away without a cost,” he said.

I was also left with a typically Star Trek problem out of all this.  In largely awful Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Kirk encounters a being which claims to be God.  Not just any god but God itself.  The God wants to get off a planet on a starship and return to ruling people.  But as James Kirk himself says “what does God need with a Star ship?”

Secret Chiefs are supposed to be spiritual supermen.  They are supposed to have transcended occult orders. Yet this focus on politics, esoteric orders, money etc was entirely mundane and therefore suspect.

If you have reached a certain state you do not join lots of Orders you focus on just one and you make it better.  Order collecting is something which indicates a need to belong and empire build, also something I do not expect from a secret chief.

The other issue was money.  His way was going to prove expensive and even if I had that sort of cash right now, parting would not make sense.

One of the things he told me he could do was transmute metals into gold, so why was he asking me for money?   Surely if he needed money he could just whip up a few kilograms of gold.

He had no idea what any of the passwords or grade signs for the Magical Order of the Aurora Aurea were, and indeed was very shaky on his knowledge of the Golden Dawn system.  My point is that why would a Secret Chief who knows so little about my magical system be of any use to me – unless I really did want to play his international political games.
He also did not seem to want to test my ability or knowledge either?   It was as if he had selected me for his grand plan, but it did not really matter what I could do.   In fact I could have been a complete loon and I would have been in, provided that MOAA provided his groups with cash and members.

It was fairly unlikely that any of the groups that he was involved with would be much interest to me, as I lost interest in joining lots of groups when I found the Golden Dawn could cover all my needs.  While I would work with other groups and experiment with other systems it would always be in the context of the Golden Dawn.

He suggested that some of these different order materials could be worked in to the higher grades of the order.  However those grades are more mystical.  There is no room for anything that comes from the head after the 6=5 indeed the 7=4 is about making your own direct contacts with the One Thing and expressing it in matter.

There was little about God in his conversations.  He talked about a pagan purity which would restore Europe, but this was not his main focus.  He talked about teachings coming from Egypt but never once mentioned Egyptian Gods.  Indeed his personal paganism was not Italian at all but Norse which he said encapsulated the value of purity and a hatred of weakness.

“We are finished with every weakness and compromise that turning the check which is derived from its Semitic-Christian root, has infected our blood and our intelligence,” he said.

He said that without returning to such a pagan tradition there was no liberation, no true restoration, or a conversion to the true values of spirit, power, hierarchy, and Empire.

While the idea of a return to a more pagan approach to religion was appealing to me, his approach seemed simplistic and just another way of obtaining control and training the masses rather than having true spiritual meaning.  Magic to me is about a personal experience of the divine and not anything like this.

The conversation was open, and interesting, but after a while he realised that I was not going to follow his views.  Nor was I going to buy that he was a Secret Chief in anyway.  An interesting man, an adept of something, but not anything like the  physical secret chief’s which we had been writing about, if they ever existed.

Anyway we agreed to stay in touch…. But I learnt a lot about Secret Chiefs in that meeting in a coffee shop around the corner from St Peters.

35 thoughts on “Meeting the Secret Chief

  1. sounds to me like the same type of philosophy thay surfaced in the twenties and thirties in Europe

  2. INTERESSANTE, MA NON CORRETTO…LO POSSO DIRE PERCHE’ CONOSCO TUTTA LA STORIA, SIGNOR FARREL…

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      BUONA PERMANENZA A ROMA. UN INCHINO ALLA SUA SIGNORA.

  3. Anon added se veramente lo desidera ossia se veramente desidera SAPERE….me lo dica…e allora e solo allora saprà la verità.MA PROPRIO TUTTA. Non le piacerebbe Signor Farrel?

  4. Mi dispiace non ho capito chi eri … se vuoi parlare con me, sarebbe meglio a scrivermi su edfu777 a hotmail.com. Posso ottenere la mia moglie di tradurre

  5. Thank you Nick for doing this. Asking to meet a Secret Chief was something unheard of. Your doing so not only proved very interesting but revealing too. The man you met left out the most important ray in my opinion. Love. An empty, hollow, voyage into unhappiness awaits anyone who follows a path such as the one that was offered to you. I wonder how many others are approached and fall for this type of power offered. Your bravery and committment to the Work is obvious. This is the most important blog post I have read in years.

  6. NON DEVI CAPIRE CHI SONO SIGNOR FARREL. NON SONO SOLO UNO…SIAMO MOLTI IN ITALIA, IN FRANCIA, IN GERMANIA IN OLANDA IN INGHILTERRA E NEL MONDO INTERO…NO…NON SONO UNO, MA MOLTI!

    1. Sì, ma sono sicuro che io so chi sei 🙂 Mentre lo studente era un pazzo, ho avuto rispetto per il suo maestro. Se non vuoi parlare con me, io non sono preoccupato. Ho le mie fonti di magia che funzionano molto bene. Ma niente più giochi – io non sono un americano. Se i tuoi cerchi sono tutti i potenti, hanno problemi su chi hanno onorato in passato – errori che non sarebbe dovuto accadere.

    1. No it was not Master R…. this person was a traceable human and I do not consider him a Secret Chief. Although I have received a couple of emails that indicate that some people do consider him a secret chief, it is just I could not see any sign of it. I mean no disrespect to him… he is just not what I expect from a secret chief.

    2. I have read your blog three times and I cannot see where Mr Griffin gets Master R or Cagliostro. Mr G needs to read the new book by Clark about Paul F Case and the Master R communications. BOTA is a very spiritual and positive order. Not a group of money changers.

    3. Why try to make sense what David Griffin writes? The man’s mental health is very questionable. I know nobody is perfect and every one has some type of mental health issues or hang-ups but when it comes to a point that everyone notices his online behavior especially strangers who never met him there is something wrong and disturbing.

      I also find it weird when I see his photo of him sitting in that white shirt and black pants. The weird part is his hairstyle, I question if that is a hair piece of some type on his head.

    4. Lord Voldemort plays a tactical game. Look at the list of *orders* Nick mentions in his blog, then look at the ones in the Dark Lord’s list – see which ones are missing.

      The fact is that although the guy that Nick met was not a secret chief of the GD, he was at least as authentic as any occultist that Griffin has come across.

  7. So did he *claim* to be a “secret chief” when he first contacted you? Frankly, if one moves in particular circles in Europe it’s not long before one comes across a minor aristocrat who is a member of a chivalric or quasi-masonic order who believes in the divine right of kings or espouses a dodgy right-wing ideology. I met several when I worked as a fund-raiser for a major charity: they would turn up at high-profile events, typically not commit much money but instead tried to cultivate contacts, looking for investors in some scheme or other. I know because I had to deal with complaints about them. One person in particular kept hinting he was an alchemist and was offering initiation into a secret society for a large sum of money – a guarantee of exclusivity, or so he claimed. The merchant banker he kept bothering was not impressed: “I can already transform investors money into large bonuses”, he told me.
    Best avoided, the lot of them.

    1. Just read this, about another conman invoking secret societies, superhuman powers, promises of lost treasure, and warning of evil freemasons and rosicrucians:
      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/10/french-aristocrat-conman-oxford-lost-fortune
      More here:
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6851837/Aristocratic-family-woken-from-conmans-spell.html
      and a longer account from a few years ago here:
      http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/08/aristocrats-and-demons-201008
      Just shows that practically anyone can fall prey to a charismatic or persuasive charlatan.

  8. So, let me guess… Right after you sent him on his way, he hopped a plane to Paris to hook up with David Griffin who took the bait and blogged about his exclusive contact with a 10=1 who bestowed that on his head as well. Then he sat down in a hotel room, lit a candle and let Robert Zink channel him on the couch, after which Zink made himself a 9-2. The alchemy in these to scenarios is not so much turning lead into gold as it is turning members pockets inside out for money… Most orders who claim “contact” with “Secret Chiefs” do this kind of “pocket alchemy.”

  9. Master R non è quello che voi credete. Non si riferisce a chi pensate voi e nulla ha a che fare, Non confondiamo per favore le visioni di fantasia di Foster Case e il suo fantomatico R con altre verita’ terrene e reali. Un po d’intelligenza e critica da voi Anglosassoni sarebbe auspicabile. Non si deve ricercare il MERAVIGLIOSO A TUTTI I COSTI. Quando si dice Capi Segreti per esempio, possono semplicemente essere delle persone normali in carne ed ossa che hanno delle conoscenze differenti, NON SI DEVE PER FORZA IMMAGINARE CHISSA’ CHE COSA! Ripetiamo il senso del MERAVIGLIOSO RENDE RIDICOLI, QUANDO LO SI PROPAGANDA SEMPRE IN OGNI MODO! Abbiate intelligenza dunque. Noi da buoni discendenti del popolo Romano antico diciamo ” CUM GRANO SALIS”!

    1. Yep I certainly did not meet Master R… The desire for people to find literal secret chiefs who are physical occult supermen is, what you say just propaganda. People need to show more discrimination when it comes to giving their power to people who claim to be secret chiefs. People also need to be careful about giving their power to a person simply because he claims he talks to such supermen. In the west secret chiefs are not considered human people with different skills.

      Sì certo non ha soddisfatto Maestro R. .. La gente ha bisogno di mostrare più discriminazioni quando si tratta di dare il loro potere a persone che sostengono di essere i capi segreti. Le persone devono anche essere attenti a dare il loro potere di una persona semplicemente perché egli afferma lui parla a tali superuomini. Nei Capi Segreti occidentali non sono considerati persone comuni. (Scusate utilizzando Google Translate su di voi)

    1. Se ho incontrato Maestro RI sarebbero almeno essere convinti che i capi segreti fossero reali. Ma non l’ho fatto. Ma ho avuto una comprensione di come questi giochi ha funzionato. E ‘s niente a che fare con la vera magia. Nella mia pratica ho incontrato molte persone che gli altri considerano “importante” sono spesso incredibilmente noioso Sono solo speciale perché la gente pensa che sono. Dopo aver trovato l ‘”interruttore” che spegne che influenza si vede che sono persone molto ordinarie e non capi segreto a tutti.

  10. ALLORA NON HA ANCORA INCONTRATO IL VERO…POTERE! LE AUGURO DI INCONTRARLO PRIMA O POI, E SI CHIEDA PERCHE’ NON LO HA ANCORA INCONTRATO. DIVERSAMENTE SE DECIDESSE DI INCONTRARLO NE RITORNEREBBE PROFONDAMENTE CAMBIATO.
    LA MAGIA NON E’ PAROLA VUOTA MA PAROLA CHE CREA! E SE NELLA PROPRIA ESISTENZA MAGICA NON SI VIVE PERENNEMENTE NEI MONDI SPIRITUALI DOPO ANNI DI PRATICA CI SI DOVREBBE CHIEDERE PERCHE’. QUANDO SI PORTA LA MAGIA A LIVELLI SOLO MANI LE COSE NON SONO MAI BUONE POICHE’ IL VERO SENSO DELLA MAGIA E’ NEL SUPERAMENTO DELLE COSE UMANE.
    IO AUGURO A TUTTI CHE POSSANO VERAMENTE PERCEPIRE E ANDARE OLTRE L’UMANO E IN QUESTA MANIERA PERCEPIRE ALTRE INTELLIGENZE CHE VIVENDO LA, HANNO LA LORO RADICE ANCHE QUI, IN UOMINI IN CARNE ED OSSA E NON IN AEREE IDEE CHE NULLA HANNO A CHE FARE CON LA REALTA’ DELLA MAGIA STESSA.
    LA MAGIA DEVE PORTARE AD UN ELEVAZIONE DELLA CONSAPEVOLEZZA E SE NELLA PROPRIA ELEVAZIONE NON SI INCONTRA NULLA SE NON I PROPRI PENSIERI E SE NON SI PERCEPISCE L’ALTRO, ALLORA IL FONDAMENTO DELLA MAGIA HA FALLITO!
    E SIA CHIARO NON MI RIVOLGO A NESSUNO IN PARTICOLARE, MA ESISTONO UOMINI STRAORDINARI LA CUI SOLA PAROLA GUARISCE O UCCIDE, APRE LE PORTE O LE CHIUDE SOTTILMENTE , MENTRE NELLA VITA DI TUTTI I GIORNI NON SEMBRA CHE QUALCUNO LO ABBIA FATTO , IN QUANTO IL VERO MAGO NON AGISCE MAI PALESEMENTE MA SEMPRE SOTTO LE QUINTE, PER QUESTO VIENE CHIAMATO IL DETENTORE DELLA SAPIENZA SERPENTINA!
    R.

    1. I agree completely. If the secret chiefs are supermen then I did not meet one. But at the same time I would consider that the system that creates such types precludes a real secret chief (as you have described) existing. A secret chief should be created by hard work and study, and not because a friend happens to know another friend who happens to have lineage to a 19th century occultist. Secret chiefs who really exist should be seeking students who work and they should know who they are. They should be communicating telepathically to prospective students. They should not be handing out grades and lineages to those in a social circle. Their students should be acknowledged as those working the system and not fools. My secret chief challenge gave them a chance to make contact. I did attract one who fitted the bill in the mind of some one there and was disappointed. Therefore it is unlikely that Secret Chiefs, as written in Zanoni actually exist.

      Google translate

      Sono completamente d’accordo. Se i capi segreti sono superuomini, allora non ho incontrato uno. Ma allo stesso tempo vorrei prendere in considerazione che il sistema che crea questo tipo preclude un vero capo segreto (come hai descritto) esistente. Un capo segreto deve essere creato con il duro lavoro e di studio, e non perché un amico capita di conoscere un altro amico che succede ad avere discendenza di un occultista del 19 ° secolo. Capi Segreti che esistono in realtà dovrebbe essere alla ricerca di studenti che lavorano e devono sapere chi sono. Essi dovrebbero essere in comunicazione telepatica ai potenziali studenti. Non dovrebbero essere distribuendo gradi e lignaggi a quelle di un circolo sociale. I loro studenti dovrebbero essere riconosciute come quelle di lavoro del sistema e non sciocchi. La mia sfida principale segreto ha dato loro la possibilità di entrare in contatto. Ho fatto attrarre uno che rispecchiasse il conto nella mente di qualcuno lì e sono rimasto deluso. Pertanto è improbabile che Secret Chiefs, come scritto nel Zanoni effettivamente esistono.

  11. Naturalmente ha ragione in questo ma come detto il modo di agire dei ccosiddetti capi segreti è particolare. Innanzitutto hanno SEMPRE fatto n duro lavoro.Diversamente non sarebbero riconosciuti dalla durezza degli adepti continentali che credetemi non sono benevoli o molto leggeri come altri possono pensare. UnMaestro di tale levatura è SEMPRE in contatto con il figlio delle sue viscere. E se qualche uomo ha la fortuna di incontrare uno di essi…ripeto NE E’ COMPLETAMENTE CAMBIATO..A MENO CHE L’UOMO SUPERIORE NON DESIDERA TRASFORMARE MA HA ALTRI DISEGNI CHE SONO STATI DATI DALLA CONFRATERNITA’ NASCOSTA IN COMUNICAZIONE CON IL PIANO DIVINO.
    Esistono due tipi di questi ESSERI. Il primo tipo viene mandato per risvegliare le coscienze con fenomeni e miracoli e poteri.Quando questo tipo ha finito la sua missione ecco che appare il secondo TIPO. Il secondo tipo trasforma le coscienze! Ossia prende una coscienza grezza di uomo e la rende DIVINA. Questi tipi di Maestri sono molto ma molto rari mentre i primi si trovano ovunque, in quanto per i primi basta un controllo dei Piano Asrtale mentre per i sencondi non basta, perchè per trasformare la coscienza SERVE CHE ESSO STESSO SIA TRASFORMATO E QUESTO PUO’ ESSERE FATTO SOLO DA CHI VIVE CONTEMPORANEAMENTE NEL REGNO DEL 10 E NEL REGNO DELL’1, CHE UNENDOSI PRODUCONO LA COSCIENZA CHE COSCIENZA NON E’, E CHE QUINDI DA SOLA , OSSIA DAL LIVELLO OLTRE IL VELO SECONDO POSTO NELL’ABISSO , PUò AGIRE SULLE COSCIENZE CHE SONO POSTE SOTTO IL LIVELLO DEL VELO PRIMO O A COLORO CHE SONO STAZIONARI NEL PIANO MENTALE PURO, QUALE IL SECONDO ORDINE DELLA GD SI RIVOLGE.
    UN ESSERE SIFFATTO E’ETERNO NELLA COSCIENZA E SE VOLESSE LO SAREBBE ANCHE NELLE CELLULE IN QUANTO HA RICONOSCIUTO CHE TUTTO E’ UNO. MA SE LA MISSIONE NON VUOLE QUESTO ESSO SI LIMITA A TRASFORMARE LA COSA PIU’ DIFFICILE IN ESSERE ( IN PARAGONE FAR APPARIRE UN DEMONE O ALTRA PRATICA DEL PENTAGRAMMATON SONO GIOCHI…) L’UOMO E LA SUA COSCIENZA GREZZA FACENDOLA DIVENTARE ORO LUCENTE.
    E possiamo pesare che questi uomini siffatti siano attorniati da lampi e prodigi? NO! DAREBBERO TROPPO NELL’OCCHIO! IN QUANTO QUESTI SONO GLI UOMINI PERICOLOSI POICHE’ SOVVERTONO IL POTERE COSTITUITO.
    ESSI SONO TEMUTI DAI CAPI ESTERNI E PALESI PERCHE’ SANNO E SENTONO CHE SONO..CAPI SEGRETI, CHE SE LO DESIDERANO TUTTO POSSONO IN QUANTO CONOSCNO A PERFEZIONE COME MUTARE LE COSCIENZE ANCHE DI UN INTERO POPOLO. UN GIORNO CON UNO DI ESSI…TRASFORMA LA VITA INTERA!
    QUESTO CHE HO DETTO NON SONO FAVOLE. ESISTONO TESTIMONIANZE SU QUESTO. LA TECNICA DI ESSI E’ TALMENTE SOTTILE…PROFONDA…INARRESTABILE….CHE…BISOGNA PROVARLA…LE COSE DESCRITTE ALLA ZANONI SONO SOLO STORIE! COME SI PUO’ PENSARE CHE UN UOMO LIBERO VOGLIA RIMANERE SULLA TERRA 2000 ANNI IN UN CORPO SE PUò AVERE L’UNIVERSO INFINITO NELLE SUE SPLORAZIONI…E POI INNAMORARSI DI UNA DONNA? MA…ANALIZZATE IL NOME DI QUESTA DONNA…ROSA….QUI TACCIO
    DISTINGUERE TRA STORIE E VERITA’ E’ SEMPRE DIFFICILE MA CHI CI RIESCE…SCOPRE LA VERITA’!
    Grazie dell’Ospitalità
    R.

  12. ‘ “We are finished with every weakness and compromise that turning the cheek which is derived from its Semitic-Christian root, has infected our blood and our intelligence, He said that without returning to such a pagan tradition there was no liberation, no true restoration, or a conversion to the true values of spirit, power, hierarchy, and Empire.” he said.’

    sounds very like a right little neo-nazi! (there I said it!)

    ‘He was extremely interesting having been connected with lots of magical orders and alchemical groups that I had never heard of. In one breath he was in something called the Osiris Order, the next it was Grand Orient and Scottish Rite freemasonry and the Italian strain of Misraim and Myriam.’

    – Funny how he talked about Scottish Rite and Grand Orient Freemasonry which is supposed to be all about tolerance, liberty and is based on very SEMETIC rituals! Then talks about “semetic” roots infecting our blood (bloodlines)! Also, sounds political – aren’t Freemasons meant to avoid discussion of politics (along with religion)?

    1. These are all “continental” masonic growths, which have very little in common with UGLE or American organisms. Especially in Italy and France, they have strong links to para-Templars and other right-wing offshoots – remember the Loge Propaganda-Due (P2) was originally an Italian Grand Orient lodge….

  13. Why is so difficult for everyone to understand that the Secret Chiefs are fake?…just a bad habit inherited from the Theosophical Society and their Mahatmas scam. The only reasons to elaborate such a lie is to somehow legitimized your brand of crazy…because since the Secret Chiefs and the Mahatmas and the white Brotherhood don t exist objectively, no one can challenge it s authority…it s like demanding answers to a portrait on the wall;pretty useless…..plus you get the gig of being the only correspondent with them with a unique channel of communication….which is blah blah for I made a good excuse to keep producing related material and I won t be challenged…because hey I m just a messenger…and I got Right(made up right of course)on my side.

  14. Was that by chance a gentleman called Roberto Amato?
    Everywhere this guy shows up another irregular Grand Lodge and neo-Templar Order springs up

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